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http://bluffparkal.org/bpforum/YaBB.pl General Category >> General Board >> Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park http://bluffparkal.org/bpforum/YaBB.pl?num=1229120577 Message started by steppy on 12/12/08 at 4:22pm |
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Title: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by steppy on 12/12/08 at 4:22pm Well thanks to those who evidently kept calling Hoover PD about speeders, now I can't leave my house and drive down Patton Chapel without being paranoid I'm going to be pulled over in a speed trap! As you have no doubt noticed they've had relentless speed traps since September if not before. We are now going into our 4th month and they are usually out at dusk or dark hiding among side streets or driveways. I would've appreciated a more friendly community approach to speeding like bringing over the solar sign that is used on Shades Crest sometimes or used over on Sulphur Springs to make drivers more aware of their speed. Warnings would be really nice as well especially during this season and with so many being out of work. We are all hard working, good family people here in Bluff Park, and now we can't drive down Chapel! As you have no doubt noticed the speed varies so much from place to place down Chapel. HPD has evidently asked the Engineering Dept to re-evaluate it but too late. Many friends are concerned or have rec'd a ticket when they should've had a warning. This has been going on for far too long but HPD and the Mayor's office said that they can't do anything until they know that there is a problem with it. They rec'd so many complaints about speeding that now some of the complainers have brought them down on us so that I can't get my kids to practice without being pulled over! The Mayor's Office is receiving letters and e-mails from concerned citizens who think the officers should use their valuable time elsewhere checking for valid licenses or insurance etc. so if folks continue to write in as they are now hopefully we will see a change from what seems like a police state. We really need to campaign against ticket quotas for the traffic officers, they don't like them either. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by BP LIFER on 12/12/08 at 8:54pm Instead of complaining about being worried you are going to get a ticket why doesn't everyone just go the speed limit. They are in place for a reason and even if they are reevaluated and changed they are what they are now and you should abide by them. Leave earlier than you normally would for your kids practice so you can make it in time while going the speed limit. I was never much of a speed limit follower in the past but I have a 16 month old daughter now who has a spinal instability. This causes her spine to curve the wrong way and any serious jolt or hit could possibly do serious damage to her spinal cord. I now have more of a respect for the speed limit and wish that others would too. I think a lot of times people do not consider people in other cars or just think that they can speed because they are good drivers or that they have control of the car but that can change in a split second. I would hate to be the driver of a car who harmed another person because I was speeding. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by Mrs. B on 12/13/08 at 7:56am Good grief! You must have been the person in the pickup on the side of Chapel the other afternoon - looking GRIM in the shadow of the whirling blue lights....hey, if you just did the speed limit you would NOT BE PULLED OVER. Warning, schmorning.....obey the law and you won't get a ticket. I say thank goodness that HPD has taken some interest....now if they would just sit in the cul-de-sac on MY street and give out tickets for the idiots running the stop signs. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by Newhouse on 12/13/08 at 11:38am Stop speeding! Stop complaining! We want the HPD to pull over speeders. That is what we asked for! Thank you HPD. Keep doing you job. It would be nice if HPD checked Park Avenue. Plenty of speeders!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by nickel4al on 12/13/08 at 1:38pm You are such a whiner. :-/ Since when did the police doing their job become a bad thing. I speed myself down Patton Chapel and Chapel, etc., but if I get pulled over, I know I'll get a ticket. It's my fault, not the officer doing his job keeping the roads safe from crazy drivers...Why do you need a warning. The speed limits signs are a huge warning. These officers are also on the lookout for suspicious vehicles. But lets just tell all the officers to leave us alone, and all our houses can be broken into and people's kids won't be able to play outside because B.P will be a zoo! |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by harvardmba on 12/14/08 at 7:08am I cannot no believe that someone actually wants the Police to stop doing their jobs. What an insane comment to make. Without Laws and their consequences, there is caos. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by RockviewResident on 12/14/08 at 9:36am I don't mind the speed traps, but when they sit at the bottom of a large hill it's kind of annoying. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by BPDad on 12/16/08 at 3:18pm If HPD sat at any point on the following path, they would run out of paper in one shift writing tickets for speeding and running stop signs: Brookline-300 block of Shenandoah-Bedford-Cloudland-Maiden It seems this path is the short cut through Bluff Park |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by onTop on 12/24/08 at 10:02pm On Shades Crest there are way to many speed limits without warning of change of speed. It is very confusing. Lets leave it at one speed say 30 mph except for blind spots and shopping centers. Then knock it down to 20 mph. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by RockviewResident on 12/25/08 at 9:44pm 20 on Shades Crest? That's slower than most neighborhoods. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by OleBloo on 12/26/08 at 2:23pm its better to be safe than sorry |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by RockviewResident on 12/26/08 at 10:24pm I suppose. I guess we could change the speed limit on the interstates to 50mph while we're at it. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by harvardmba on 12/28/08 at 8:49am YES, drop the speed limit on the Interstates back to 55mph. You will be amazed at how much difference it makes. Lower speed saves lives and, if you knew anything about safe driving tactics, you would know that the travel time from point A to point B is not significantly different when driving 70 mph verses 55 mph. The thing that people need to do is plan ahead and leave earlier in order to be at your destination on time. If I have to be somewhere at a specific time, I always allow extra time for the " unknown " to ensure I arrive on time or even a little early. Try it, you might like it. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by sparky on 12/29/08 at 11:21am They were out bright and early this morning writing tickets. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by Jofus on 12/30/08 at 12:20am I am new to the forum and spent some time reading the various topics before registering. I was particularly interested in the posts about crime in BP. I see where the Pig was robbed (twice?), BP Elementary was broken into and various burglaries are happening to vacant homes during the day. Let's now compare these crimes to me not coming to a complete and total stop at a stop sign or me going 5 - 10 miles over the speed limit on Chapel. Is there a comparison? I know from reading some of your posts that some of you will say that all of the above offenses are worthy of HPD's time, but I say that staking out a stop sign on Chapel or sitting in the parking lot of Gwin Elementary and shooting radar at cars as they are coming DOWNHILL on Chapel as the speeds change from 40 to 30 is an inefficient use of the valuable time of HPD. I think HPD should use their time in BP more efficiently, like maybe cruising the neighborhoods, which increases visibility. Now some of you might say that we don't want cars speeding past a school that our children attend and HPD is only helping to keep our children safe. Wrong! Sundays are one of the worst days to be on Chapel, as the radar incident I described was on a Sunday night at 9 pm. I would hate to think HPD has ticket quotas, but I find it hard to explain their behavior sometimes. I am all for ticketing people who run stop signs and drive recklessly through neighborhoods, but I fear HPD is ticketing anyone and everyone who comes close to violating the letter of the law. I just wish HPD would use their time more efficiently and concentrate on those offenses that bring fear to a community, like robberies and break ins. For the record, I am a very safe driver, who has never received a ticket, but I am paranoid as can be driving through BP these days and it shouldn't be that way. :) |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by bpresident on 12/30/08 at 11:12am Jofus wrote:
Allow me to make a couple of corrections. Regarding the Piggly Wiggly robberies. The first was on August 12, 2006 at 9am. There was no second robbery, as it was a staged robbery. Regarding the burglary at BPES: This was an inside job. You say that HPD's time would be better spent patrolling the streets instead of enforcing traffic laws. I agree. And they are. The particular spots you mention (bottom of hill) are 1) Not in Bluff Park (but part of 30 Beat) and b) not being enforced by the patrol division of HPD, but by the Traffic Division - 2 completely different divisions. The most important part of your post, in my opinion, was the phrase "... but I fear HPD is ticketing anyone and everyone who comes close to violating the letter of the law." How do you define "comes close to violating the letter of the law"? There is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. If you are going 34 mph in a 30 you are violating the letter of the law, but you're within the spirit of the law. If you're going 45 mph in a 30 mph you're violating both. I am a firm believer that a stop sign doesn't really have a spirit clause attached to it. The law reads "cease movement", not "slow down and look to see if anyone is coming". I live in a house that has a stop sign. People run it all the time. The other morning, at 6:20 am, an Explorer, Alabama Tag 5AA19, didn't even slow down for it. It ran it, then the next one, then two more. We have a number of people who jog down that street. Can you imagine if this moron would have hit one of them? But let's not take a blatant violation like that one, let's take a typical one, where they simply slow down and look to see if there is traffic coming, then treat it as a yield sign, not a stop sign (very common in Bluff Park). There are small children that live both next door and across the street from me. I don't know if you've ever had small children, but sometimes they may dart out into the street. Treating this (and other) stop signs as a yield sign may result in tragic consequences some day. The intersections with stop signs have been well thought out. The speed limits in Hoover are also well thought out, with the exception of 30 on Park and Chapel Road after Simmons to Hwy. 31. Those should be 35. The change on Chapel from 40 to 30 is asinine and pathetic and should be contested (except during school hours). I complained about the stop sign running to Lt. Stewart, who handles the traffic division. My complaint specifically stated that I don't believe we have a speeding problem in Bluff Park, that we have a stop sign running problem in Bluff Park. For a few days his motor units were placed in certain areas for a few minutes, but not on a consistent basis. Let's discuss your "patrolling the streets" comment. In order to understand why we don't see more HPD patrolling the streets of Bluff Park, we must first understand how Hoover PD is set up. As with other cities, Hoover is set up into zones or "beats". Bluff Park sits in Beat 30. Beat 30 runs from Patton Chapel Road and Hwy. 31 to Tyler Road and Hwy. 31 all the way to Shades Crest Road on both sides. That's an incredibly HUGE area to patrol. Our goal has always been to make Beat 30 into two zones. Cut it in half. What would it take to do so? Over $500,000 dollars per year. According to Hoover City Councilor Gene Smith (who is one of our strongest advocates), we would need 5 additional officers (3 per shift, 2 for days off), plus vehicles. In today's economy that is not going to happen. When the first Piggly Wiggly robbery happened in 2006, one of the customers inside who witnessed it began a letter campaign demanding that HPD set up a sub-station in Bluff Park. The response time to that robbery was 12 minutes. On a Saturday morning! This web site is one of the results of his letter writing campaign. The Hoover Police Department Bluff Park Sub-station is the other one. When the last robbery occured (even though it was staged), the response time was 3 minutes! Quite a change from 12, wouldn't you say? Yes, some parts of the city have more police presence than others (Highway 31 comes to mind, as does Lorna Road). Our police department is not perfect. But you have to give them credit for making us one of the safer cities around. Ironically you close your post with stating that you are a safe driver and have never received a ticket. You then, should be just as mad at those who don't drive as you do and should be happy that they are being held accountable for their actions, right? Welcome to the Bluff Park Forum. We're glad to have you on-board and look forward to more posts from you. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by Jofus on 12/30/08 at 11:34pm I appreciate your well thought out post. You are obviously much more informed about the happenings in BP and the HPD than me. As I started to read your post, I even thought it may have been written by an officer of HPD. While I tip my hat to your knowledge, I still don't concede any of my positions. The fact that the downhill Chapel location is in 30 Beat instead of BP and is patrolled by traffic division and not HPD is splitting hairs and totally irrelevent to the point being made. The location is used by many people on this BP forum and the cars issuing the tickets have Hoover on them, which is the point I was making. The particular division of the officer means nothing in the post, unless you are going by the letter of the post and not the spirit of the post! :) Speaking of spirit of the law, have you confirmed that HPD doesn't ticket for violating the spirit of the law? One would hope that is a correct assessment. I agree that we should all be careful driving around joggers and children, which really goes without saying. The Ford Explorer you mention should be ticketed for blatant traffic violations. The problem is when you see increased police presence at a stop sign on Chapel, it gives the appearance that they are only interested in writing tickets. What else could I conclude since it was dark and the police were sitting way off on a side street? One might even say hiding? Maybe they wouldn't ticket you for not coming to a complete stop, at night when there is nobody around, but their actions make it look like an operation to produce tickets. If they really just wanted to train people to come to a complete stop, they could sit near the intersection in daylight. The perception just looks bad. Also, in regards to radar use, sitting at the bottom of the hill on Chapel before Simmons, in the dark, when the speeds change in an assinine way (your words) just gives the perception of a speed trap. Also, I know people who have received tickets going the other direction on Chapel where the speed goes from 40 ot 25. Why are these two areas of Chapel being staked out? The answer would seem to be because that is where it is most likely for drivers to be over the speed limit and thus the best place to give out tickets? I could be wrong, but again, what would a logical person assume based on their actions? I have friends who don't live in Hoover, but drive through it and they point to Sunday as a bad day to drive through Hoover with the police looking for traffic violations. These are outsiders who are forming their opinions on Hoover Police based on their own observations. That is not the perception that outsiders should form about the police who cover BP and Hoover. With this blitz having been going on for months now, even careful drivers like myself are worried that our record may be tarnished because of some quota. Again, it is all about perception. I love the city, even though my house was broken into in the first several months of my moving in. That was seven years ago, but I guess I am overly sensitive to burglaries and break-ins and would put more weight on them than writing traffic tickets. We are both passionate about our beliefs and it is great to have a forum on which to share them. Happy motoring through BP, but stay vigilant! ;D |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by harvardmba on 12/31/08 at 7:53am Jofus, I may be wrong and if I am, I appologize but, it seems to me that you are trying to justify one use of the HPD over another. Yes, they certainly should be dilegent in looking for and fighting crime when you refer to breaking into homes and businesses, assaults, etc. What I don't understand is your more liberal view of HPD and their process for enforcing traffic laws. If you are saying that it gives a negative signal to outsiders and to Hoover residents when " their " interpritation of how HPD performs their duties regarding traffic control, then I would get the indication that you only want the laws to apply as you would have them meet your particular need at the time. I, on the other hand, would be extactic if HPD would run traffic control better in my area of BP. The laws are there for a reason and if HPD needs to run speed traps and stop sign traps, well, as long as you aren't one of the VIOLATORS, your really shoud not have an issue with it. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by bpresident on 12/31/08 at 9:09am Jofus, I'm going to reply further to your last post, but I'd like for you to read the following article that appeared in the Birmingham News on May 30, 2007: Growing city means constant challenges for Hoover police Department hopes aggressive approach will keep bad guys at bay Author: ROGER BATSON JR. News staff writer HOOVER AT 40 Fifth in a series examining how Hoover has changed over its 40-year existence There are few people in the metro area who consider Hoover a sleepy, little town south of Birmingham anymore, Hoover police Chief Nick Derzis said. The city's growth, coupled with its financial success as a major shopping and entertainment center, has resulted in prosperity but also brought challenges in terms of crime and safety. ''When I first started, this was certainly a bedroom community,'' said Derzis, who joined the department in 1979 and is now the city's fourth police chief. ''There was very little retail, and there weren't a lot of reasons why people would leave other cities to come here.'' Then the Galleria opened in 1986, and other attractions and shopping centers began to pop up. ''It became a retail hub that drew in people from all over the state,'' Derzis said. ''And if you are a bad guy wanting to commit a crime, well, we became an attraction for that as well.'' Almost immediately after the Galleria opened, Derzis said, the city saw a significant increase in reports of bad checks and other financial crimes. The department soon after met with retailers and implemented a policy that if someone writes a bad check and a warrant is issued by the retailer, the Hoover Police Department will travel to any point in the state to arrest them. Since the policy has been implemented, Derzis said, officers have traveled to cities as far away as Huntsville, Mobile, Foley and Daphne and made hundreds of arrests. ''We realized early that if we didn't do something and get the word out, we would be sitting ducks,'' he said. The department was a oneman operation when it was founded in 1967, operating out of Hoover's Fire Station No. 1. It now has 155 full-time police officers patrolling the sprawling city limits in ethanol-fueled Chevrolet Tahoes. The department now has three separate bureaus: field operations, administrative services and investigative services, and more than a dozen sub-units ranging from interstate criminal enforcement investigators to family services and juvenile crime officers. The department has needed the growing manpower and resources because crime has increased over the years. Thefts have jumped from 1,476 in 2000 to 2,028 in 2006, and robberies have increased from 65 to 101 in the same period. The number of burglaries grew from 238 to 341. Homicides, however, have stayed at about two a year for most years since 2000. 'Aggressive' department Derzis said the city's relatively low crime rate hasn't been by chance. The department has worked overtime to create an image hostile to criminals. ''We work aggressively when we stop vehicles. We work aggressively when we respond to crime, and I think we have a reputation as an aggressive police department,'' Derzis said. ''And I hope that because of our reputation, that some people would avoid us.'' Hoover police Lt. Randall Shields said a large proportion of Hoover's police calls come from apartment complexes. Still, Derzis said, there is no one area of the city that is particularly troubled. ''We have some situations that may spring up here and there in the city, but we're not like a major metropolitan area that may have one particular area that's really a hot spot, that we tell people not to go to,'' Derzis said. Residents and business owners in Bluff Park this past year expressed concern about crime in their community, which they said was becoming more prevalent. A daytime robbery at the Piggy Wiggly grocery store at Shades Mountain Plaza in August prompted calls for a greater police presence. The Police Department responded by setting up a substation in a donated retail space at Bluff Park Village. Frank Baker, co-owner of Baker's Famous Pizza, which was robbed in January 2006, said the situation in Bluff Park has improved significantly since the substation opened. ''It's a deterrent,'' Baker said. ''The more police you see, the more criminals realize they might get caught if they do something.'' Helen Roberts, a clerk at Mountain Plaza Cleaners in Shades Mountain Plaza, which was burglarized three weeks agosaid police do a good job, but Hoover's a big area to cover. ''They can't be everywhere,'' she said. Police 'very helpful' The Police Department has enlisted the help of everyday citizens, working to help neighborhoods establish community watch programs. Dennis Cole, president of the Greystone Glen Homeowners Association, said his group is working to start one now. ''The city's police have been very helpful,'' said Cole, who moved to Hoover from Birmingham 10 years ago. ''They've been very responsive to the needs of the community and helped us on traffic, community watch or any issue that's come up.'' One unexpected issue the Police Department has been dealing with more in recent years is the growing Spanish-speaking immigrant population, Derzis said. The biggest problem, initially, was trying to communicate, he said. The department now has 10 to 15 officers who speak the language at fluent levels, and even more who have taken Spanish lessons offered by the department to improve their level of communication, he said. Spanish language skills are one of the many things the department looks for in new recruits, Derzis said. ''The challenge is when we get telephone calls from the community, and you hear people say, 'Well, if you know that someone is illegal, why don't you do something about it?,''' Derzis said. ''Well, for one thing, you may say that they are illegal and you may think that they are illegal when they may not be, and it's something that the police don't ask.'' The Police Department has made efforts to make Hispanics, who often are crime victims, more comfortable with filing police reports, he said. Catching up with growth The department's greatest challenge, he said, is still the city's growth. ''A lot of times we are having to play catch-up,'' Derzis said. To keep from falling behind, the department continues to add to its police force and communicates regularly with city leaders to make sure it has enough resources to respond to residents' concerns. ''The challenge to us is to keep our community safe for people to live here and keep it safe for people who visit or shop here,'' Derzis said. ''And that's a challenge every day.'' EMAIL: rbatson@bhamnews.com Copyright, 2007, Birmingham News. All Rights Reserved. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by bpresident on 01/01/09 at 2:24pm Jofus wrote:
Allow me to respond to the various issues you raise. Let's begin with "The problem is when you see increased police presence at a stop sign on Chapel, it gives the appearance that they are only interested in writing tickets. What else could I conclude since it was dark and the police were sitting way off on a side street? One might even say hiding?" As you may recall, I live in a house with a stop sign in the yard. When we first moved in to the house and I began to notice people ignoring the sign, I contacted HPD. Back then HPD was in the process of changing from Crown Victorias to Tahoes and they had a couple of Crown Vics still in their lot. I thought it might be a good idea to stick one of the unused Crown Vics at the end of the street, not manned, but just sitting there. Wow! When people saw that empty car they came to a complete stop. It seems that people obey the law when they believe there's an officer around. I complained about Brookline and Chapel (the intersection that you are refering to). People blow through that intersection all the time. I'm on a motorcycle often and there's been plenty of close calls there, at the Farley and Chapel interesection, on my street, on Bradford, on Clearview and on Lester. Yes, the officer was most likely hiding. And he probably got a few tickets also. I guess I'm missing your point as to why it's wrong for them to hide. It reminds me of an old saying "Character is who you are when nobody is around". Is it OK to run the stop sign (definition of "run": not coming to a complete stop; not ceasing movement) when there's not an officer around? You may say that slowing down is OK as long as there are no other cars around. I beg to differ. Allow me to illustrate using an old joke: "Slow Down vs. Stop" One day a policeman stopped a motorist who had just gone through a four way stop sign and was about to give him a ticket when the motorist said. "Officer you can't give me a ticket for that!' "Why not" said the officer. "Because although I did not stop I slowed right down and its almost the same." "But you did not stop" replied the officer, "and the sign says STOP." "But the way was clear and it was safe" replied the motorist. The officer then pulls out his batton and starts hitting the motorist. "What are you doing!" yells the motorist in surprise. "Do you want me to slow down or stop" says the officer. Not everyone runs stop signs in Bluff Park. Just some people do. Those people should be cited. When my children began to drive, I told them that there were two things that I alwys expected out of them, and should they ever violate either one, they would lose their driving privileges. 1. Always wear a seat belt and always tell your passengers to wear a seatbelt. 2. Always come to a complete stop at a stop sign. It's really not that difficult. Trust me. Next topic: "I have friends who don't live in Hoover, but drive through it and they point to Sunday as a bad day to drive through Hoover with the police looking for traffic violations. These are outsiders who are forming their opinions on Hoover Police based on their own observations. That is not the perception that outsiders should form about the police who cover BP and Hoover." Please see the article I posted earlier. My oldest child no longer lives in Hoover, and I have told her that when she drives into Hoover to be careful and obey all the laws because of the increased police action. She has complied. If one is obeying the law, one shouldn't be worried. Next: "Also, in regards to radar use, sitting at the bottom of the hill on Chapel before Simmons, in the dark, when the speeds change in an assinine way (your words) just gives the perception of a speed trap. Also, I know people who have received tickets going the other direction on Chapel where the speed goes from 40 ot 25. Why are these two areas of Chapel being staked out?" Could it be because people are not slowing down when the speed limit changes? If you're driving to New York and you drive through Virginia, and you have a radar detector, which is legal in most states except for Virginia, should you keep it up when driving through Virginia and think you'll be OK? When you get off I-459 (70 mph) and you get on Hwy. 31 (40 mph), should you get a pass if you're still going 70? My point is that if folks are not slowing down, then they could be in danger of getting a ticket. Here's the interesting thing. The police don't set up these "speed traps" unless they've received complaints. Obviously someone has complained. Here's one other interesting thing. As you may (or may not) have noticed, the traffic light timing by Preserve Parkway has changed. If you're coming down the hill, more often than not the lights there will be red as you approach them. Like a built in speed deterent. Since the timing of the lights have changed, the "speed traps" have almost vanished. People seem to come to a stop at a red light more often than they speed. Next: "With this blitz having been going on for months now, even careful drivers like myself are worried that our record may be tarnished because of some quota." Not possible to tarnish your record if you're obeying the law. You have nothing to worry about. Next: " I love the city, even though my house was broken into in the first several months of my moving in. That was seven years ago, but I guess I am overly sensitive to burglaries and break-ins and would put more weight on them than writing traffic tickets." I'd like to see both. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by onTop on 01/19/09 at 3:59pm RockviewResident wrote:
Yes, there are several spots on Shades Crest Rd that have a 20mph speed limit . more are needed. Today a HPD was near Tip Top grill right under the 25 mph sign. the sign right across states 35mph leading away from Grill. With several blind spots before you get to TTG the 25 mph should be moved right before Crest Lane (Log Cabin).By the way Crest Lane needs to be a one way because a wall and brush block the line of sight from the left. Stay safe and drive slowly on the crest, its a neighborhood too. |
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Title: Re: Permanent Speed Traps in Bluff Park Post by Bluff Park Guy on 01/20/09 at 2:57pm I agree with the one way on Crest Lane until you get to Park Terrace. I usually turn onto Crest from Shades Crest but only "once" tried to pull out on Shades Crest from Crest. Most of the people who live around that area know not to go that way but every now and then a visitor to the area will surprise me when I pull onto Crest:( |
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