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Message started by Recap on 10/22/07 at 5:00pm

Title: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/22/07 at 5:00pm

My grandchildren, son and daughter-in-law were devastated to find their beloved cat had been visciously attacked, mauled, and ripped to shreds sometime in the early morning hours this morning (Monday, October 22), in the Park Avenue/Rockview Lane/Cloudland Avenue area.

The attack and killing of this beloved pet was definitely done by a predatory dog because the predator went onto their porch and around a corner to attack the cat in its own bed.  We know the dog did not come across the cat in the yard because it would have climbed a tree or run under the house to escape the attack....not run to its bed.  If the cat had been aware of the dog prior to the attack, it would have gone through the bannister rails or jumped over the bannister to escape.  From the scene, we can tell that the cat put up a good fight for it's life, and we SINCERELY hope that the dog has very SEVERE wounds all over it's face and neck!  There are pools of blood and large tufts of cat hair spread from the bed, around the porch, onto the walkway, and across the yard a good 100 feet.  

This is very graphic, I know, and I apologize, but it needs to be graphic so that everyone can be aware of this viscious dog that is loose in our neighborhood!  We are very concerned about this dog being loose because not only does it now have the taste of blood and killing in its mouth and mind, but from the visciousness of the scene and the shredded body of the cat, if this dog gets hold of a small child, or even a large child or an adult, the consequences will be horrific!

If you see a strange dog running around, and especially if that dog appears to be wounded on its face and neck, please be cautious, and please, please call Animal Control immediately.

If you think you know whose dog this is, please contact me through this forum.  It would be greatly appreciated!  No child (or even adult) should ever have to wake up to find the scene my grandchild found this morning when he went out to feed his beloved pet!!!

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by meredithshepherd on 10/22/07 at 7:19pm

Recap,
I am VERY sorry about this situation- I hope this is not one of the neighborhood's MANY displaced dogs running around out area...
We have had trouble with a racoon in the past around our house and we were unsettled to find out last year that one of our neighbors was feeding it , if you can believe that one! Just wanted to let you know in case it could have been a wild critter running around.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/23/07 at 1:11pm

Of course, we considered that it could have been a coyote or a bobcat that came up over the bluff and down Park Avenue, but in my years of living in Bluff Park I have never heard of any bobcat or coyote sightings.  If they are around, that's very disconcerting with all the small children playing outside at Bluff Park Elementary, at the park at the pool, and in their own yards!

I think that if it had been a coyote or bobcat or other critter, it would have eaten the cat for a meal.  Whatever attacked the cat just seemed to have "played" with it until it tired of the game or the cat stopped fighting.

We really believe that because of the timing that it is someone's dog that they were too lazy to put on a leash and walk and just let it out to "do its business ", and the dog knew the cat's home turf.  If so, their dog went home pretty bloody and banged up!

The scene and cat's remains reminded me of pictures you see on the news about dog attacks, and that dog definitely needs to be put down because it WILL attack something or someone again!


Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by bpresident on 10/23/07 at 4:17pm


Recap wrote:
Of course, we considered that it could have been a coyote or a bobcat that came up over the bluff and down Park Avenue, but in my years of living in Bluff Park I have never heard of any bobcat or coyote sightings.  If they are around, that's very disconcerting with all the small children playing outside at Bluff Park Elementary, at the park at the pool, and in their own yards!

I think that if it had been a coyote or bobcat or other critter, it would have eaten the cat for a meal.  Whatever attacked the cat just seemed to have "played" with it until it tired of the game or the cat stopped fighting.

We really believe that because of the timing that it is someone's dog that they were too lazy to put on a leash and walk and just let it out to "do its business ", and the dog knew the cat's home turf.  If so, their dog went home pretty bloody and banged up!

The scene and cat's remains reminded me of pictures you see on the news about dog attacks, and that dog definitely needs to be put down because it WILL attack something or someone again!


About  1 1/2 years ago I stopped two dogs from destroying our neighbor's cat.  One of the dogs was a Chow (surprise!).  I chased the dogs off after pulling them off the cat.  I later found out that they lived in the Maiden Lane/Paramount Lane area and that they often got out from their yard.  Their owner didn't seem to care too much.  Those streets, of course, are near the location of the attack that you describe.  I must say, though, that I have not seen the dogs running loose for over six months now.

It should also be noted that we did have a coyote running loose near the elementary school a few years ago.  Every time animal control was dispatched, though, the animal was gone.  But they have been spotted in Bluff Park before.

We do have a loose dog problem that needs to be deal with and the best thing is to contact Animal Control 444-7760 whenever you them running around.  If you feel that they may pose a threat to children (like the Rottweiler from a month ago), call Hoover PD at 822-5300.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/23/07 at 6:49pm

This was definitely not a raccoon.  A grown cat might sustain some damage, but would not be killed by a raccoon, and the raccoon would most likely look as bad, if not worse.  If we have a coyote, we all need to be on the lookout.  Please anyone report any sightings, but I think if there is one in the neighborhood, it will make the news even if the person who spotted it never heard of this site.
It sounds like a dog is the most likely culprit.  I am so sorry for your loss, and for the trauma for the child and parents.
Did any one hear anything?  This could not possibly have been a quiet event.  

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/23/07 at 7:38pm

[ If we have a coyote, we all need to be on the lookout.  Please anyone report any sightings, but I think if there is one in the neighborhood, it will make the news even if the person who spotted it never heard of this site.
It sounds like a dog is the most likely culprit.  I am so sorry for your loss, and for the trauma for the child and parents.
Did any one hear anything?  This could not possibly have been a quiet event.   [/quote]

They were amazed they didn't hear anything either, but the bedrooms are on the back of the house and this happened in the front.

My son took the cat's body to his vet to have it looked at and the vet said the remains are VERY indicative of a coyote attack and not a dog.  That would also stand to reason as to the quiet stalking attack on the cat asleep in its bed.  So, if the vet's assessment is correct, then that means there is a coyote in the Bluff Park Elementary School area!  And it is viscious!


Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/23/07 at 8:22pm

Can you give me the name of the vet or clinic?  If you can't tell by my name, I'm a big-time, long-term cat lover.  I really want to talk to them.  Thank you very much for any info...

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/23/07 at 9:09pm

They use Bluff Park Animal Clinic for all their pets so I feel sure that is where he probably took it.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/23/07 at 9:18pm

That's where I take my pets too.  I trust them both.  Thank you so much for the info.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by kelly on 10/24/07 at 2:29pm

I just now saw this posting and wanted to let you know that on Friday night Oct. 19 I was returning home and saw a huge coyote on the corner of Park and Chapel.  I was in the car with three other people and none of us could believe what we were seeing.  It was the about as tall as a lab and very skinny and sickly.  It was very late at night and was running across the street at the traffic light.  So sorry about your cat.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/24/07 at 7:52pm

That's very interesting (and disturbing) that we have an actual sighting by Kelly of a coyote on Park and Chapel on the Friday night before my son's cat was killed on Sunday night/Monday morning.  My son has since found out that two cats up the street on Park toward the bluff were killed recently, and that a large group of feral cats that hang out around the Shades Crest Baptist Church area has been dwindling fairly rapidly lately.

It would seem that this coyote has found a feeding ground and is coming around more frequently than we might think....probably every night!  From Kelly's description of the coyote she saw, it is sickly and scraggly looking.  It makes me wonder if it might be rabid.  

What can we do about this animal in our neighborhood?  

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by BluffParkwriter on 10/24/07 at 8:51pm

I guess we need to call Animal Control.
I drive down Chapel and Park to get home at night (I work odd hours) so I will keep my eyes open also.  Getting the word out also to neighbors around not to have their pets out unattended and make sure their Rabies and Distemper shots are up to date.

Also to add to the vet list, we use Alford Ave Vet Hospital. THey specialize in small animals and birds also dogs and cats. We saw Dr. Friddle and Dr. Frederick. I was very happy with them and have always gone there. My rabbit died of cancer about 2 months ago, they did everything they could for her. When she passed they sent me some flowers and a remembrance card.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/25/07 at 11:25am

I was asked which vet my son took the cat's remains to for analysis and I responded that he took it to Bluff Park Animal Clinic.  I certainly wasn't trying to promote a certain vet clinic over another and hope no one took it that way!  

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Bluff Park Forum Admin on 10/25/07 at 12:33pm

I just got off the phone with Hoover Animal Control, Officer Wade.

This is the first report he has received on coyotes in Bluff Park, but not the first he has received in Hoover (currently they have sightings in Riverchase).  He is requesting that I e-mail him the link to this page, which I am doing.

He is requesting that any concrete sightings be reported to animal control at 444-7760.  Any information he gathers he will share with his partner (next week).  Once they have determined that there is in fact a coyote problem in Bluff Park (which he says is possible since the weather is getting cooler), and a definite location, they will set up a trap.  They cannot do so until they know exactly where it is.

I have requested to be updated once they have further information, which I will post on this site.

Again, any sightings will need to be called in to 444-7760.  You will most likely get an answering machine.  Leave a message!  Post it here also, so that we have documentation of the calls.




Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/25/07 at 5:44pm

Thank you, Admin.  I was going to call Hoover Animal Control when I got off work today, but you had already done it.  I had looked them up on the web, and it sounded like they did not deal with wild animals, so I'm pleased with the response you got.  Please everyone be diligent, follow Admin's advice, and report any sightings if you feel sure of what you saw.  Posting any suspicious events on this site might also be helpful since they are aware of the site's existence now.  Recap, if you have any other info that might be helpful, maybe you could give them a call.  
I also want to add, about the vet, I was looking for info, and was not attempting to promote any vet.  Recap was responding to my question, and if anyone took his answer or my comment that way, I apologize.  

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by donjuandomain on 10/25/07 at 6:00pm

The cat involved was my cat and I have a bit more information.

The attack happened as described on Monday 10/22 morning at about 2:30a.  There were two dogs involved based on a neighbor's memory of the barking.

Since then, I've been noticing a large Husky, estimating 70+ pounds, wandering around the neighborhood [see for a fuzzy pic  http://onedomain.com/don/temp/husky.jpg ].  

This morning 10/25/07 at 6a, I found this dog with a smaller companion looking over my porch where the attack occurred.   At about 7:30, the dog was back again in the same area.  This time I noticed he had a distinct limp as I scared him away.  Then I noticed him going from porch to porch on Park Ave at about 8a.  I followed him down Rock View as he visited porches and unattended yards.  He briefly fought with two smaller dogs in a pen on the way.  

This Husky has a collar and seems possibly friendly.  He's possbly injured and appears to be on a constant hunt for food.  I feel he is probably the animal that killed my cat and may be an abandoned animal on the hunt for food.  He has no fear of coming onto porches and I would think that ALL small dogs and any size cats are at risk from this particular animal.  I've called Hoover Animal control about this.


Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/25/07 at 6:22pm

So you think it wasn't a coyote?  Thank you for calling animal control.  What did they say?  I'm still concerned about the possibility of a coyote attacking pets, since one has been sighted, but want all the information we can get.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by donjuandomain on 10/26/07 at 11:46am

More info:  The animals in question that killed my cat this past Monday were most certainly two Huskies roaming the Park Ave area.  They keep coming to my house - four times yesterday and once so far today.  I got within 10 feet of them last night and got a good look at them.

From what I can tell, there is an older large male who weighs about 70 lbs.  He seems injured on his face and walks/runs with a limp.  At least with me, he's never too concerned about my presence unless I get within 10 feet.  At this point, he starts snorting, growling and even barking.  Even so, he still cowers when confronted.  He seems to have litte fear of people as my wife walked out on the porch last night and was spooked by him and his partner last night.  He has an old nice leather collar, but it seems old.  He also has a tag.

The other Husky seems younger, is smaller and weighs about 40 lbs.  He seems more friendly, but very protective of his mate if cornered.  I almost leashed him last night.

Last night following these dogs, they seemed to find a home base around 527/531 Park Terrace.  At least that's where they ended up last night.  

I no longer think coyotes were involved in my case.  However, who needs coyotes when a normal dog like a Husky could turn out to be so vicious.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by bpresident on 10/27/07 at 8:38am


donjuandomain wrote:
More info:  The animals in question that killed my cat this past Monday were most certainly two Huskies roaming the Park Ave area.  They keep coming to my house - four times yesterday and once so far today.  I got within 10 feet of them last night and got a good look at them.

From what I can tell, there is an older large male who weighs about 70 lbs.  He seems injured on his face and walks/runs with a limp.  At least with me, he's never too concerned about my presence unless I get within 10 feet.  At this point, he starts snorting, growling and even barking.  Even so, he still cowers when confronted.  He seems to have litte fear of people as my wife walked out on the porch last night and was spooked by him and his partner last night.  He has an old nice leather collar, but it seems old.  He also has a tag.

The other Husky seems younger, is smaller and weighs about 40 lbs.  He seems more friendly, but very protective of his mate if cornered.  I almost leashed him last night.

Last night following these dogs, they seemed to find a home base around 527/531 Park Terrace.  At least that's where they ended up last night.  

I no longer think coyotes were involved in my case.  However, who needs coyotes when a normal dog like a Husky could turn out to be so vicious.


Did you contact Animal Control to let them know about these dogs and where they live?

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/27/07 at 3:04pm


bpresident wrote:
[quote author=donjuandomain link=1193090441/15#17 date=1193417198]More info:  The animals in question that killed my cat this past Monday were most certainly two Huskies roaming the Park Ave area.  They keep coming to my house - four times yesterday and once so far today.  I got within 10 feet of them last night and got a good look at them.

From what I can tell, there is an older large male who weighs about 70 lbs.  He seems injured on his face and walks/runs with a limp.  At least with me, he's never too concerned about my presence unless I get within 10 feet.  At this point, he starts snorting, growling and even barking.  Even so, he still cowers when confronted.  He seems to have litte fear of people as my wife walked out on the porch last night and was spooked by him and his partner last night.  He has an old nice leather collar, but it seems old.  He also has a tag.

The other Husky seems younger, is smaller and weighs about 40 lbs.  He seems more friendly, but very protective of his mate if cornered.  I almost leashed him last night.

Last night following these dogs, they seemed to find a home base around 527/531 Park Terrace.  At least that's where they ended up last night.  

I no longer think coyotes were involved in my case.  However, who needs coyotes when a normal dog like a Husky could turn out to be so vicious.


Did you contact Animal Control to let them know about these dogs and where they live?
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I'm donjuandomain's Mom...I feel sure he has called Animal Control now that he knows the dog's timing and habits and probable address since he called them to report the attack before he knew whether it was a coyote or dog(s).  Rest assured, he will not let this matter drop!  He has other pets, and so do I, so we are a pet-loving family.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/27/07 at 7:49pm

Please know I don't feel anyone is to blame here, and my heart hurts for the family who went through this.  I have vulnerable pets and live very close, so I'm trying to keep up with the situation.  

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/28/07 at 9:51am

My son has not seen the two Huskies around his house the past two days...ever since he posted the picture of one, their description, and the address where they probably live...and he has been on the watch for them.

Either the dog owner is now aware that Animal Control is on the lookout for the dogs and is keeping them penned in or they have been picked up by Animal Control.  Of course, there is also the possibility that the dogs may have decided to move on to other areas to look for food and small animals.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by hookemhorns on 10/28/07 at 8:06pm

I am very sorry to  hear about your cat! We live on Park Ave, close to the Elementary School and both of our cats Tritan and Moe have also been killed by this vicious dog within the same week(10/25). Both incidents occured in the early morning hours. Our neighbors witnessed this horrible event, but fortunately they were able to identify the dog. The dog is a Husky with white on his chest, and has a grey/blackish color on his back. This dog has been seen wandering on Park Ave late night/early morning (12am-7am). We have also been informed about 3 other recent vicious attacks on cats on Park by our neighbor. I was told that recently that a Park resident and his neighbor went after the dog (to try and put him on a leash) and followed him over to Park Terrace where he turned around and began to growl at the men. We called Animal Control but apparently had no effect since the dog is still roaming the streets. The Husky must be escaping his yard without his owners knowledge. The point is there IS a very mean dog killing cats and could possibly be a danger to the children walking to school or waiting for the school bus since it is not afraid of grown men. Also, if any one has any further information on this dog, please let me know so that I can inform the owner of the unfortunate events in the area, caused by his dog.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/28/07 at 9:42pm

People are talking about pumpkins while this is happening?  Please Recap, donjaundomain (maybe i got that right), hookemhorns, let us know of any developments.  I plan to call Hoover Animal Control tomorrow, but I haven't lost a pet, so I don't think it will mean much.  This is not an acceptable situation.  Please make sure they know the circumstances of your losses, and that this dangerous animal is still at large.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/28/07 at 10:07pm


hookemhorns wrote:
I am very sorry to  hear about your cat! We live on Park Ave, close to the Elementary School and both of our cats Tritan and Moe have also been killed by this vicious dog within the same week(10/25). Both incidents occured in the early morning hours. Our neighbors witnessed this horrible event, but fortunately they were able to identify the dog. The dog is a Husky with white on his chest, and has a grey/blackish color on his back. This dog has been seen wandering on Park Ave late night/early morning (12am-7am). We have also been informed about 3 other recent vicious attacks on cats on Park by our neighbor. I was told that recently that a Park resident and his neighbor went after the dog (to try and put him on a leash) and followed him over to Park Terrace where he turned around and began to growl at the men. We called Animal Control but apparently had no effect since the dog is still roaming the streets. The Husky must be escaping his yard without his owners knowledge. The point is there IS a very mean dog killing cats and could possibly be a danger to the children walking to school or waiting for the school bus since it is not afraid of grown men. Also, if any one has any further information on this dog, please let me know so that I can inform the owner of the unfortunate events in the area, caused by his dog.



My son whose cat was killed last Sunday night told me tonight that he has heard of approximately 10 cats in the neighborhood that have been visciously killed recently.  He mentioned someone up the street from him with two cats, so I know he must have been talking about your two cats, and I'm very sorry for your loss and what you must have gone through.  

It is now very obvious that these two Huskies must be caught and put down by Animal Control.  They have the taste and thrill of killing ingrained in them too deeply, and they are now a definite danger to our children and our pets, and based on my son's encounter with the two dogs in attempting to get close to them, they are also a danger to adults.  I feel sorry for the owners of these dogs, but these are dangerous, viscious animals that must be dealt with by Animal Control immediately before a child is attacked.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/29/07 at 8:06am

Two huskies, one large and one small, are on Brookline Dr right now.  There is another husky who lives there, but these two sound like the ones we are looking for.  I called animal control and left a message.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by PharmD on 10/29/07 at 8:41am


straycatmom wrote:
People are talking about pumpkins while this is happening?  Please Recap, donjaundomain (maybe i got that right), hookemhorns, let us know of any developments.  I plan to call Hoover Animal Control tomorrow, but I haven't lost a pet, so I don't think it will mean much.  This is not an acceptable situation.  Please make sure they know the circumstances of your losses, and that this dangerous animal is still at large.


I'm confused- are we not allowed to discuss other topics on other threads because of this situation.  I agree this is a very urgent matter but am unsure what the issue is with pumpkins? The site is set so that everyone can talk about what they wish under seperate threads. If one is not interested in pumpkins, they choose not to participate in the thread.

Again while i agree this is an important matter, your comments imply it is the only matter we should be discussing and that other topics are not valid.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/29/07 at 8:59am

You are right, I'm sorry about that.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/29/07 at 9:48am

I have just called Animal Control and left a very long detailed message about these two dogs and the circumstances we are facing in our neighborhoods.  I also left my name and my phone number in case they want to contact me.  I was very courteous but I was also very firm and direct about these two Huskies, their killing instincts, and the safety of our pets and possibly our children.  

The city of Hoover has a leash law, many of us have called Animal Control about this situation, and still the owners allow these dogs to run loose.  Perhaps these dogs are digging out of their fence (if they are in fact fenced in).  Perhaps the owners are opening the door and letting these dogs out of their house/pens.  I don't know, but I do know these owner's are breaking the law and I, for one, hold them responsible for all the pets that have been killed thus far, and I certainly would consider them responsible if a person is attacked and harmed by their dogs.  




Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by hookemhorns on 10/29/07 at 12:46pm

I do feel sorry for the owner of the two Huskys, because I know they may be required to give up their dogs. We all know how it feels to have a loved pet taken away too soon, but I just spoke to Animal Control myself, and they say that someone is being sent to search for these two dogs. They also informed me of several calls from this area regarding the Huskys, so I and I'm sure everyone who has also lost a furry child, would like to thank everyone for helping out and taking matters into their own hand by calling and letting them know this is a serious issue! I know the dogs haven't been caught yet, but I'm sure 'Tritan' and 'Moe' would be purrfectly pleased to know that their neighbors are doing what they can to prevent anymore tragic losses of their furry friends. I just learned of this site yesterday from my neighbor and am pleased to know that the Bluff Park community can come together and help their neighbors...Thanks again to everyone!


Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/29/07 at 1:20pm


hookemhorns wrote:
I do feel sorry for the owner of the two Huskys, because I know they may be required to give up their dogs. We all know how it feels to have a loved pet taken away too soon, but I just spoke to Animal Control myself, and they say that someone is being sent to search for these two dogs. They also informed me of several calls from this area regarding the Huskys, so I and I'm sure everyone who has also lost a furry child, would like to thank everyone for helping out and taking matters into their own hand by calling and letting them know this is a serious issue! I know the dogs haven't been caught yet, but I'm sure 'Tritan' and 'Moe' would be purrfectly pleased to know that their neighbors are doing what they can to prevent anymore tragic losses of their furry friends. I just learned of this site yesterday from my neighbor and am pleased to know that the Bluff Park community can come together and help their neighbors...Thanks again to everyone!


At this point, I find it very difficult to feel sorry for the owner of these two Huskies.  Responsible, loving pet owners adhere to the laws and protect not only their own pets but also the pets of others.  If these two dogs had gotten out once or twice I could see it maybe being isolated incidents.  However, from what we can tell about the killings of all these cats, these two dogs have been roaming and killing for some weeks now.  

My son said they were aggressive to him (snarling, baring of teeth, and growling) but only when he got within 10 feet of them.  He stated that they "cowered" as he approached them until he got too close.  An animal that "cowers" before a human and then gets aggressive is usually a mis-treated animal.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/29/07 at 2:49pm

HURRAH!!!!  Officer Davis from Animal Control just left me a voicemail that he has "located the owner" of the two dogs.  He didn't leave any information as to what has or will be done, but it IS progress!!!  I've left him a message to call me back and that I will be by my phone until I hear from him.  I'll keep you all posted!

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/29/07 at 3:09pm

Well, it's a letdown, to say the least!  Officer Davis said he went to the home and the dogs were inside their fence.  He talked with the owner and explained what has been happening and told him the number of cats that have been killed.  He said the owner was "SOMEWHAT CONTRITE"!  Can you believe that??  "Somewhat contrite"!  Ten of our pets have been killed by this man's dogs and he is "somewhat contrite"!!  The owner said he is "trying to keep the dogs fenced in but they keep getting out".  Officer Davis told him that he was probably going to be hearing from a lot of his very angry neighbors!  However, he wasn't allowed to give me the owner's name!  But, my guess is that he lives at 527 or 531 Park Terrace or thereabouts based on my son and his neighbor tracking the dogs to that address.

Officer Davis couldn't take the dogs because they were inside the fence at that time.  He can only take them when they are out roaming the streets IF he can catch them.  I asked what recourse we have and here it is:

We (as many as will) have to go the the Police Department and file a "Viscious Dog Complaint".  The police department will issue a complaint number.  The complaint then has to be taken to the Magistrate where you have to file a deposition.  Only THEN, they can go take the dogs!


Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by ellane on 10/29/07 at 3:35pm

I live with hookemhorns, and just registered to this site to say "WHAT?!?!" Not only are there many loved pets in the neighborhood, but also many small children. I spoke with Officer Davis earlier this morning, and I'm very disappointed in what he told you. Hookemhorns and I, along with our neighbors will definitely be at the Police Station today!!! If these dogs "keep getting out" they will continue to "keep getting out." I'll be visiting Park Terrace when I get off work to see if I can find the dog's owner. And he/she WILL hear from at least one of his very angry neighbors.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/29/07 at 3:38pm

Y'all may be getting tired of so many posts from me in a row, but I'm doing my best to get this issue under control.  Here is the City of Hoover Ordinance regarding Viscious Dogs:

Sec. 4-19. Vicious animals.
It shall be unlawful for the owner or other person in charge thereof to harbor or keep in the city or the police jurisdiction thereof a vicious animal, unless the same is confined, muzzled and bound in such a manner as to prevent such animal from biting or attacking a person or other animal. It shall be prima facie evidence that an animal is a vicious animal if it shall bite or fiercely attack any person or any other animal, such person or other animal at the time of said biting or attack not being on the owner's premises.
(Ord. No. 82-343, § 4, 5-14-82; Ord. No. 88-695, 2-15-88)
State law references:  Personal injury caused by vicious animal, Code of Ala. 1975, § 3-1-3; liability of owners of animals biting or injuring persons, Code of Ala. 1975, § 3-6-1 et seq.  


Sec. 4-21. Running at large.
(a)   It shall be unlawful for the owner or person in charge of an animal except cats and fowl to cause or permit such animal to run at large or be upon a street, sidewalk, thoroughfare, property other than that of the owner of the animal, or public place within the city or its police jurisdiction, unless such animal is attached to a leash in the hands of said owner or person in charge of said animal.
(b)   The owner of a dog, and any other person or persons in custody or control thereof, shall cause to be removed any solid body excretions deposited by said dog on any property not owned by or in possession of the dog owner or the person or persons in custody and control of said dog at the time of said deposit.
(Ord. No. 82-343, § 6, 5-14-82; Ord. No. 88-695, 2-15-88; Ord. No. 89-844, 11-20-89; Ord. No. 90-904, 6-18-90; Ord. No. 91-983, 1-7-91; Ord. No. 00-1748, 3-20-00)

Run at large  shall include all times and places when the animal is not confined, restrained or enclosed within a wall, fence which may include an electrified invisible fence or barrier or other enclosure on the premises of the owner or person in charge in such manner as to prevent effectively its escape, or is not attached to a leash in the hands of said owner or person in charge.  
(Ord. No. 82-343, § 1, 5-14-82; Ord. No. 88-695, 2-15-88; Ord. No. 90-977, 1-7-91; Ord. No. 00-1748, 3-20-00)

Sec. 4-24. Same--Release of animals generally.
(a)   The owner shall be entitled to resume possession of any impounded animal, except as provided in this section in the cases of fierce, dangerous or vicious animals



Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by ellane on 10/29/07 at 4:01pm

I just spoke to Officer Davis and he told me that whoever actually witnessed any of the attacks are the ones who can file the Vicious Dog Complaint at the Police Station. I know of 2 people who witnessed 2 separate attacks; if you know of anyone please tell them to come forward and file the complaint! Officer Davis also mentioned that anyone who lost a pet due to these dogs can pursue the owner by taking it to civil court. Just thought I'd pass the word along.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by BluffParkwriter on 10/29/07 at 4:26pm

Thanks for all the good information on this issue.

So right, if they are getting out now they are STILL going to get out.
I have a dog and I keep it in my backyard.... we had to do some work on our fence and plug some holes.... if we can do it so can this owner!

I am so sorry to all that have lost a pet in this issue. I was wondering, and it a bit off topic, if anyone would like to put together a Bluff Park Pets pic page for the community website. ITs a Heather's Corner idea. IF so send me your pics  and name and name of pet to heather@bluffparkal.org

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by hookemhorns on 10/29/07 at 4:40pm

I think thats a great idea, since they are part of the Bluff Park community in their own way! I would like to add however that the owners DO NOT live on Park Terrace, my neighbor just informed me that the Huskys live on Bedford Ave and the owners just put up a privacy fence for them...i believe it's too little too late. Like i stated before, I do feel bad for the owners, because I would hate for any more pet owners to have to lose their companions, but on the other hand the dogs need to be stopped because they will continue to escape and we don't need to lose any more of our furry friends!

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/29/07 at 8:15pm

I was going to ask about who could file a complaint.  It sounds like I can't, since I have not witnessed an attack.  If the dogs live on Bedford, I understand the sighting on Brookline.  They are just backyards away.  But haven't the attacks been on or near Park?  Please continue to post any information.  
Addendum, I love the idea of pictures of Bluff Park pets.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by BluffParkwriter on 10/29/07 at 8:19pm

lost me straycatmom, I dont see anything thing you need to apologize for :)

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by straycatmom on 10/29/07 at 8:45pm

PharmD's very on target reply to my comment - 'People are talking about pumpkins while this is happening?'.  I was upset and said something I even knew in the back of my mind was stupid when I said it.  Unfortunately, the back of my mind doesn't always catch up in time...

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Recap on 10/29/07 at 9:32pm


straycatmom wrote:
I was going to ask about who could file a complaint.  It sounds like I can't, since I have not witnessed an attack.  If the dogs live on Bedford, I understand the sighting on Brookline.  They are just backyards away.  But haven't the attacks been on or near Park?  Please continue to post any information.  
Addendum, I love the idea of pictures of Bluff Park pets.



The attack that prompted me to start this post was my son's cat being killed on Park Avenue.  The two cats that were killed the same week were also on Park.  I don't know the location of the other attacks, but these two dogs are roaming far and wide.  They are not staying in one vicinity.  My son tracked the two dogs to a home on Park Terrace late one night where it appeared they were comfortable...like being home.  Early one morning he tracked them down Rockview, right on Cloudland and then on down Rockview, which would be headed toward Bedford.  On the long part of Rockview is where he took the picture of one of the dogs.  Although Officer Davis didn't say he went to Park Terrace to talk to the owner, I got the impression that that is where he went after my phone call giving him that street name and the probable two house numbers.  

If the person on Bedford that built a large privacy fence owns these two dogs, then it is not working since the two dogs were spotted roaming on Brookline just this morning.  Officer Davis didn't tell me that the owner had built a large privacy fence in an effort to keep the dogs penned up, and I think he would have in order to try to relieve our fears.  In fact, the tone of his voice indicated that the owner is very complacent about it all, that he is "somewhat contrite" that his dogs are being accused of killing approximately ten of his neighbor's cats, and that he excused their behaviour by saying that he "tries" to keep them penned up but "they keep getting out".  

At any rate, Officer Davis knows who owns these dogs and where they live.  When he told me he couldn't give me the owner's name I asked how we would be able to file complaints not knowing it.  He said the police department would contact him for that information.  I certainly hope that the two people who witnessed the huskies killing the cats will file complaints for all of us since it seems only actual witnesses can file the complaints.  According to the law, an attack that just causes harm to another animal labels the dog as viscious.  The attack doesn't have to result in the death of the other animal so if anyone has witnessed ANY type of attack by these two huskies then they are eligible to file a complaint.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by BluffParkwriter on 10/29/07 at 11:14pm


straycatmom wrote:
PharmD's very on target reply to my comment - 'People are talking about pumpkins while this is happening?'.  I was upset and said something I even knew in the back of my mind was stupid when I said it.  Unfortunately, the back of my mind doesn't always catch up in time...



if you were referring to my story on pumpkin carving, I did not catch it reading through the first time. Dont worry about it, it happens.. that is what "modify" is for :)

Just so you dont think I am insensitive to the issue I had been working and finding a pumpkin carver for about 2 weeks... before this thread started. Just happened to go live on the website at the same time as this issue was being talked about.

It is a little difficult for me right now about pets, over the last 6 months I have lost both my dogs and my rabbit to illness. My dogs were 16 and 17 years old one had kidney disease and one was deaf and blind, we had to have both of the put to sleep.. it was just horrible. Then a month or so ago my rabbit was diagnosed with a carcoma type cancer, it was out of the blue one day the tumor (and it was big) was just there. She died with us at about 2am. We called every emergency vet and ended up talking to a lady at the Auburn vet hospital after hours line, she was so nice and told us how to make my rabbit comfortable. She did not make it throughout the night but she died in peace and in no trauma and with her family. So as you can see I am very much a pet lover and really feel your fear and pain in this issue.. just difficult to talk about.  On a happy note, we adopted a puppy from the Shelby Humane Society Friday, she had been there for 5 months from newborn. I was not sure I was really emotionally ready for the adoption but she just kind of said "your taking me home" and so we did :)

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by PharmD on 10/30/07 at 5:19pm

BluffParkWriter I love the idea of including our pets on the website. This would also come in handy when someones pet goes missing! I will be emailing my pics this evening-great idea!!

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by Bluff Park Forum Admin on 11/01/07 at 3:25pm


PharmD wrote:
BluffParkWriter I love the idea of including our pets on the website. This would also come in handy when someones pet goes missing! I will be emailing my pics this evening-great idea!!


FYI - The Bluff Park Information page on this site has had a section for Lost/Found Pets (or anything else for that matter) since our inception last year.  If you lose or find something, send an e-mail to info@bluffparkal.org and we'll post it on that page:  http://www.bluffparkal.org/information.htm .  There's no charge for this, just make sure you let us know when you don't need the announcement anymore.  

The fastest that a dog has been returned to an owner using the web site has been 1 Hour 45 minutes.

Title: ALERT- possible spotting
Post by BluffParkwriter on 11/11/07 at 11:17pm

on my way home last night I spotted a large, hairy dog black on the ears and neck and a white face, looked like the husky but I cant say for sure. He/She was at the intersection of Park Ave and Chapel Road. This was about 10:45pm.

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by meredithshepherd on 11/14/07 at 8:21pm

Yes, I saw the husky out the other day. He lives on the street next to me. I was in the car and was turning around to follow him (to make sure he did not hurt anyone) and his owner comes speeding down the road to pick him up, obviously realizing his dog was out....I did not feel like I could make a comment to him since he was in fact putting his dog in his truck right when I spotted him.  Needless to say I am VERY cautious with my young child when he is in the front yard. Parents these days not only have to worry about some crazy lunatic snatching their kid out of the front yard but also a crazy neighborhood dog

Title: Re: Viscious Dog Loose in Bluff Park area
Post by rwoodathome on 11/22/07 at 8:17pm

I live on the corner of Chapel and Park Ave. There are foxes living in the area that i see often. I have had cats killed by foxes before and this sounds more like a fox than anything else. These foxes look sick and underfed.  I have a feeling it took a fox to come on your porch as i don't think a coyote would come that close. Sorry about your cat. I worry about these foxes having rabies myself. I wish i could shoot them on site but that would land me in jail.

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